The Power of Human Design in Leadership & Self-Exploration with Podcast Special Guest Leila Jones
- Savannah Rose Johnson, BA, CLC, RTT.P
- Jul 14
- 36 min read
In this episode of the Eclipse Evolution Podcast, Savannah Rose interviews Layla Jones, who shares her transformative journey of self-discovery through the lens of Human Design. Layla discusses her experiences as a Projector, the challenges of navigating identity and belonging, and the importance of radical self-acceptance. She also explores how integrating spirituality into business can enhance leadership and team dynamics. The conversation delves into emotional awareness, life transitions, and the significance of community in personal growth, culminating in Layla's upcoming memoir, 'Unpacking My Boxes: A Projector's Journey Home.'
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Website: https://velamira.com/
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Below is the companion video, timestamps, full transcript, and also available streaming platforms.
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Layla Jones and Her Journey
02:47 Exploring Human Design: Projectors vs. Manifestors
05:22 Integrating Human Design into Business
08:20 The Challenge of Consistency in Leadership
11:05 Understanding Energy Types and Authenticity
13:49 Recognizing Emotional Cues for Alignment
16:55 Navigating Life and Career Transitions
27:44 Understanding Decision-Making Through Human Design
28:47 The Role of Authority in Personal Growth
29:43 Self-Discovery and Setting Boundaries
31:11 Awareness and Self-Advocacy
33:33 Radical Acceptance and Embracing Paradoxes
37:26 Navigating Relationships and Personal Growth
40:20 The Journey of Self-Discovery and Authenticity
45:47 Unpacking Emotional Baggage and Writing a Memoir
Transcript:
Savannah Rose (00:01.167)
Hello, hello, and welcome to the Eclipse Evolution Podcast. I'm your hostess, Savannah Rose. I'm so excited to have you back today. I've been missing y'all.
Thank you so much for tuning in wherever you're joining us from around the world. I'm so happy that this community has just grown so much, especially in this past year. And it's just my heart's delight to introduce an amazing guest with you today, Ms. Layla Jones, just in our few minutes of chatting behind the scenes. She's just a ray of sunshine and just absolutely so warm and inviting. And I'm really excited to share her story with you all today and have her share more as well about her new book that's coming.
out and all her topics of discussion today I know are going to really move you just because in my exploration of her journey it's been extremely relatable and I know that you all will benefit from it today. So, Layla, thank you so much for being here today.
Leila Jones (00:57.547)
thank you, Savannah. I appreciate that. What a nice introduction.
Savannah Rose (01:00.795)
Of course, yes. Well, like I said, I'm excited to have you and I would love for you to just share more. I don't want to steal all the thunder. I'd love for you to speak on yourself, what you're about, what you're bringing to us today, and we'll dive in deeper.
Leila Jones (01:15.766)
Sure, great. So yes, like you said, I've been on quite a journey in my personal and professional life. started out, I was born in New Jersey and moved around 10 times across three states. We moved a lot. And that is one of the things that's been a blessing in my life, actually, because I've been exposed to so many different cultures and people and environments. So I really enjoy relating with people that way.
But on the flip side, I had challenges with that. I wasn't sure where I belonged, what home was, who I was growing up in predominantly white neighborhoods. I had a mixture of cultures when my home life was very different from my school life. And when you add to that, that I am a religious person, but I'm also a mystic. And so that sometimes clashed with some of my family's beliefs.
So it was really a process of trying to figure out who I was authentically and how I wanted to show up in life. So that has turned into now me putting all those stories into a memoir, which is coming out in September. And it's called Unpacking My Boxes, A Projector's Journey Home. So I talk about all of that journey, plus starting a business, getting married, having kids.
getting divorced and then restarting that whole story of who am I and where do I belong and what is home. So I was able to take a lot of courses in quantum human design. And that's the projector part. That's my type. and so that was very eye opening and helped me to
Savannah Rose (02:59.45)
Yeah!
Leila Jones (03:06.399)
understand all these different things that I was going through as a kid and a young adult that I didn't understand at the time. So now I really feel like I've come home to myself and I can continue growing and learning. So I'm happy to share that with you and your audience too.
Savannah Rose (03:23.355)
my gosh, if I wasn't excited already, I'm just even more excited because I'm such a human design nerd and it's still I feel like a very growing, yeah, a very growing just practice and I don't want to say curriculum, but just I say practice more so because it is about integrating into your life. Like you learn about yourself, but then like when you really apply what you learn, it can change things.
Leila Jones (03:29.101)
Hahaha!
Leila Jones (03:33.174)
Okay.
Savannah Rose (03:53.059)
in just such a miraculous way. I wanna hear more about that, because I'm a manifestor, so I'm kind of different, but I would love to hear about, yeah, your experience as a projector.
Leila Jones (03:58.509)
Okay.
Leila Jones (04:02.797)
Sure. Yeah, so you and I have something in common with you being a manifestor and me being a projector is that we generate energy differently than the rest of the world. So actually, there's manifestors, projectors and reflectors that make up about 30 % of the population. And we aren't able to work in the traditional way because our energy works differently. So
That is interesting when you think about how 70 % of the world works and, you know, that kind of hustle culture and, you know, we're here trying to keep up with that, but it's just not always a fit. So that's the times when you can end up burning yourself out faster, you can get, you know, just just really tired and sick and maybe not understand where those things are coming from.
So for me as a projector, what makes that a little bit different is that in addition to those energy challenges at times are the challenges when we are trying to assert ourselves and share our knowledge. So projectors are kind of able to take in what's going on in their environment. And this is where the projector part.
comes in, we sort of project out that vision and we can help guide people to get to a vision, whether that's in your family life or at work. And that's wonderful and everything, but the challenge there is that we have to wait for the invitation, wait for the right people in the right situation to share that knowledge. So if we don't, we can come across as know-it-alls and we can.
kind of share it with the wrong people and and that can cause a lot of friction too. So with you as a manifestor, and this is one of the things that I'm doing with within Bellamere within my company is kind of aligning all the different types and thinking about them as different pieces of a journey. So the manifestor I think of as the the gas and the gas tank. So so you all are the ones with the ideas you're
Leila Jones (06:15.393)
getting it started and you're going and moving it through. And then there's the generators and those are the ones that have their foot on the pedal. They're really starting things and are taking what you started and then driving, going on that journey.
And then I think of the manifesting generators as like the race car drivers, they can they can go fast, they can do a lot of things, they, you know, see all this stuff going by and they can pull it all together and make things happen. And then the projectors are like the map. So they are guiding people on that journey and helping them.
move through and, you know, checking in, okay, do we do we need to go to rest stop? Do we need to look at our route again and see what we're doing? And then the last piece, the reflectors, they're like the mirrors. So like the river mirror, side view mirror, they're they're looking behind and assessing what happened on the journey and then able to give that feedback. So if you
Take all of that and pull it together. You can see how we're all important. We all have a different role, but we need to know what our role is so that we're not stepping on anyone's toes and burning ourselves out and having challenges, especially in the workplace.
Savannah Rose (07:39.519)
my gosh, I love hearing just your perspective, like your unique perspective. I can totally tell that you're a projector. It's so beautiful. And I love just hearing your...
Leila Jones (07:41.581)
Thank
Leila Jones (07:49.421)
thank you.
Savannah Rose (07:51.895)
Of course. And I love your, your comprehensive understanding of all the types as well. feel like that is really unique and I'm just, I'm going to try not to just like hit you with a thousand questions, but yeah, I think it's so, so special. And I think like what you said was, was so important as far as like the energy and embracing like how, your energy type is so different. Cause I think, and this is something I can really relate to.
Leila Jones (08:05.421)
That was okay.
Savannah Rose (08:21.829)
you with with with being a manifestor is like the nine to five like the hustle culture like the being in your masculine like that basically like almost killed me I was like so burnt out and so
exploited in the workplace because I do have like this crazy energy all these ideas and it can be like such a double-edged sword but learning how to align my life in a way that works for me and that I'm able to like learn how to rest like learning how to rest was like my job last year and it's so wild but I'm curious like how do you integrate human design into your company like into your work I'm curious like how you apply that
Leila Jones (08:52.673)
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Leila Jones (09:04.959)
Yeah, yeah. So for a long while, so my company, Vella Mira, we've been in business 22 years, and we've been doing all kinds of things over that time website development, technical writing, customer service training, software training, just all sorts of things. And it was actually last year that I decided to rebrand after I had gotten all of these certifications in human design.
and start integrating that into the business so that it feels more aligned with me and what I'm wanting to do and kind of my passion and looking forward. So the way I'm integrating that is I am a coach and a consultant for seeker leaders and their teams. And so I define a seeker leader as a conscious executive manager, business owner who is wanting to
integrate spirituality into their work so that they can personally transform. And that's something that I've done all my life, but didn't know how to really pull that together into my business and turn it into a service. So that is what I'm working on. And the whole framework that I started to explain with the journey and the different types and where they fit in as part of that Discover Your Path framework.
that I can use with Seeker leaders individually or with their teams. And the basis of it is really people starting to look at their types and seeing how they can learn more about their human design type. And like you just said, Savannah, you you might look at that and look at your work and think, that's why I got so burnt out last year or from doing this project or whatever it was.
or, that's why I was so excited about this particular work because it really aligned with what my chart's saying. So it's first getting people to look at those pieces of themselves and then seeing how the interplay is working within either the smaller leadership team or a team at large. And then you can start to figure out, okay, is this person in the right role or are we giving them the right work? Are we giving them
Leila Jones (11:23.629)
too much or too little, whatever it might be, so that you can kind of break down those barriers and look at maybe some things that were a challenge and you didn't know why. That's really the big thing when there's teams that have just hit a wall. Maybe they're productive, maybe they're doing their work, but there's a lot of interpersonal issues. Or people are just kind of...
clocking in, clocking out, not really engaged in what they're doing. And so it's starting to break that down by using the human design types to help people understand themselves better and then hopefully have more empathy for other people too, because that's an important thing for me. We're all going through different things in life, have had different journeys. And I think sometimes we forget that and we don't really...
give that empathy to others and we expect them to rise to an occasion that maybe they're not able to, maybe that's not a fit for them. So that's something that's very important to me to bottom line get people to understand themselves so that they can show up better in the workplace and be a contributing member that really helps everyone.
Savannah Rose (12:44.257)
we need you out here. We need you, Laila. do. That's so cool. I love that. my gosh. That is so cool. I'm nerding out right now. I'm nerding so hard. I'm so curious. Like, what is your perspective? I mean, being a CEO and a secret leader yourself, and you, right by mine, because when I saw that in your signature, like empowering secret leaders, I'm like, I need to know what she means by that. That's so clever. So thank you for explaining that.
Leila Jones (12:46.061)
Thank you.
Leila Jones (13:02.069)
Yeah.
Savannah Rose (13:13.945)
I'm so curious, with you as a secret leader yourself, I feel like there's this big narrative right now, especially with being a business owner. And this is something that me as a manifester and business owner, I struggle with, is that consistency piece. Given that like I go through these big energy cycles and need big rest cycles and that kind of thing. You hear this narrative of like, you have to do something every day and you have to, that consistency is key and
Leila Jones (13:39.861)
Yeah.
Savannah Rose (13:43.471)
Like leaders have to show up every day. Like I feel like that's something that I'm still learning to get my hands around. I'm curious like how your relationship to that narrative has been and how you address it in the work that you do and even with your own journey.
Leila Jones (13:56.728)
Sure, sure. Yeah. Yeah. And I think for a specific example where I've seen it a lot is with social media and you know, being a business owner and trying to be out there, be out there enough and you know, work the algorithms, whatever it is, it can be really challenging. And and it's funny because, you know, I've and it's hard that I've had to learn to ignore some of that traditional advice because it's just, it's not a fit for me. But
Savannah Rose (14:07.727)
Yup, you're in my head!
Leila Jones (14:26.571)
The other thing that I've noticed when I've had people try to help me with my social media and maybe ghost write some things or put it out there, even though maybe the audience couldn't put their finger on it, it was like they knew it wasn't me writing. And for some reason as a projector, I have to be the one writing that copy and getting those things out there. So.
That means that I have to, like you said, Savannah, I have to pay attention to my cycles of rest too. And, you know, I can't be on there three times a day and, you know, interacting all the time. And I also have to be selective in the platforms that I use and what feels right for me and where my audience is. So I've become more focused on the quality of what I'm putting out there. And, you know, if there's a day where I
look at social media and I say, man, you know, I haven't posted in like four days. But if there isn't anything that's bubbling up that I feel is important enough to put out there, I just let that go. And I say, you know, I'm just gonna leave it as is. And, you know, I don't have like a social media calendar or anything like that, because I've tried to do that in the past. But then it just it doesn't come across as authentic. And since that's
such a big piece of what I do and one of the main things that's in my human design chart is for my life purpose is to live with passion and authenticity and show others how to do that. if I'm not doing that, it's going to come across pretty quickly. And it's and it's hard because you you look at all the advice out there on how to market your business even beyond just social media.
And it's always like that that push that hustle, you've got to go to all these networking events, you've got to do all these things. But that's where paying attention to your energy and how you want to show up makes sense. Instead of just listening to the blanket advice that's out there.
Savannah Rose (16:32.251)
Well, thank you for giving me permission to do less because, in all seriousness, that was so validating because that's something that, yes, as I've been really leaning more into the social media side and not wanting to be bossed around by the algorithm, that's something that I think it can feel a little...
Leila Jones (16:34.906)
Yes. Yes. All right.
Savannah Rose (16:57.155)
like tricky to navigate, but you're right, when you lean into that authenticity and align with it, you are just so much more potent and like that quality over quantity really does make a difference.
Leila Jones (17:09.035)
Yeah, yeah. No, it's very true. And I think that if you have a really strong community that you're building, and we were kind of talking about this before we hit record, that that word of mouth is what's going to be important and, and people feeling that they can connect with you, and then they start talking about you to other people. And, and that really starts to grow it too. And then you can
more authentically connect with the people that you're interacting with. And it's not just a numbers game, because that's the other thing that can come up where you're like, Oh, I don't have enough followers, or I don't have, you know, but maybe you don't have, you know, who knows 10,000 20,000, whatever that big goal number is now for followers. But maybe the ones you have are like your your core ones that are just going to talk you up all the time. And they're going to
Savannah Rose (17:44.963)
yeah.
Leila Jones (18:04.727)
follow you with whatever you're doing and support you and make you feel good about the work that you're doing. I think that's, that's important to looking at the quality of your community and your audience and not just the quantity.
Savannah Rose (18:19.643)
Absolutely, absolutely. And I think that's something that's so important. And I hope that our listeners and in viewers take home with them as well as like to be careful of that comparison game, especially when it comes down to the how other types are maybe operating in the world. think that's something like I envy my generator friends or my partner. He's a manifesting generator and it's just he is just up and at him every day. He always
Leila Jones (18:39.797)
Yeah, great.
Savannah Rose (18:46.711)
in a lovingly or loving way like will tease me about how much sleep I need and he just like cannot relate because he's like eight hours, six hours, he's like ready to do the day and he's doing so much and I need like my 10, 12 hours. But I think that comparison can be can be tricky sometimes.
Leila Jones (19:01.237)
Yeah, right, right.
Leila Jones (19:07.339)
Yeah, it can. And, you know, like I said earlier, especially when it's the majority of the population that that fits into that, that kind of mold where they can work that way, they can, you know, they don't have to rest maybe in the same way. I the other types still need to rest, too. That's important for everybody. But it just looks different for them. And like you said, even you might get your
10 hours of sleep, but you might still need a nap in the middle of the day too, because that can happen. And you know, know for me, the with with being a projector, one of the the other things like I was saying, how I take in energy from other people, and I can read people pretty well, that takes up energy too. And so it might look like I'm not doing anything, you know, I might be at a networking event, just sitting there talking, but you know,
Savannah Rose (19:35.491)
It's nice for no-navin', yeah.
Savannah Rose (19:53.84)
that.
Leila Jones (20:01.729)
the more people in the room, the more of that energy I'm taking in. so that might be my big thing for the day, you know, two hours and then I'm like, okay, I'm going to go veg out and maybe just listen to some music, you know, do a little bit of chores around the house, nothing too extreme. But that's one of the challenges that I talk about in my book too, that when I was married and he was also my business partner, he would often call me lazy.
And it was just like, you know, and he's a manifesting generator. And so, you know, I could not keep up, I would try then, but didn't know I was a projector. And so all these different weird sicknesses would come up and you know, all this stuff, and I just didn't know what was going on. So you know, trying to push and compare yourself to a manifesting generator or generator when when you're one of the other three types, the
manifest or projector reflector that doesn't generate energy in the same way, it can really just be a losing game. And it's something that you have to be really careful about and and be really vocal about it. And that's where knowing your type knowing yourself comes into play so that you can speak up and let people know, you know, this, isn't really going to work for me to do it that way.
Savannah Rose (21:26.395)
Absolutely. I'm curious, like how do you listen to those cues in yourself?
and even learn what those cues are when you are recognizing, I need to say something about this, or you're starting to notice moving out of alignment. I know for me as a manifestor, it's like when that irritability and the anger shows up. That's when I'm like, if I'm starting to get a little crabby, that's when I'm like, okay, I need to have some time to myself, I need to sleep and stuff. But I mean, that's just me. I'm curious, what advice do you have to share with others about how to notice that?
Leila Jones (21:40.812)
Mmm.
Leila Jones (21:47.414)
Yeah.
Leila Jones (21:51.799)
Right?
Yeah.
Leila Jones (22:01.687)
Sure. Yeah, no, you definitely tapped in on a good one. So that's that's called like your not self theme or your emotional theme. So for manifestors, it is anger that that comes up. And that's usually your sign that it's like, somebody's making me mad. Or something's not working. Something's out of alignment. So I've got to figure something out here.
Savannah Rose (22:17.423)
Yup.
Leila Jones (22:24.169)
And then with the generators, it's frustration that comes up for them. like, everything they try, you know, if they fail, and it's just like, just, know, that frustration, not being able to move forward. And then manifesting generators get both the anger and the frustration, or maybe one sometimes maybe another. So that both of those can come up and that's something to pay attention to.
with projectors with me, it's bitterness, where you're just like, bitter with everyone around you, just like whatever, you know, do whatever you want to do. I don't care. You know, that kind of, that kind of attitude. And so that's what will tell me that that I need to take a step back. And then with reflectors, it's disappointment, because remember, they're the ones that are looking back on things. And so they're often able to see
the potential of others a little bit better. And so if people aren't meeting that potential, then there's a lot of disappointment that they will feel in a certain situation. So what I typically tell people as they're, especially if they're trying to make some big transition in their life or work is really to journal and to write down and pay attention to.
when those different not self themes are showing up and to see if they're finding any sort of trends there. And for me in particular, what I've been doing lately is when I wake up in the morning and I look at my calendar,
then I do that emotional check in and you know, am I really excited about my day or you know, something making me go gosh, I I don't know, want to deal with this day. And then I start breaking it down looking at everything that I have on my calendar and saying, you know, which one of these things is bringing that up because it's it's typically not everything that's on there. But I'll start kind of going down that list and saying, it's it's that meeting or it's that
Leila Jones (24:24.589)
project work that I'm doing, or, you know, that task that to do list item that I have to do. And then I start asking myself questions about it, like, what is it that's making me feel like this? Why am I resistant to doing this? And, and that starts to reveal a lot. Because if you again, are journaling and start seeing a trend, you know, is it always that same client that's making you feel that way or that?
type of work or that friend you're going to lunch with, whatever it might be, you can start looking at those things and seeing, is this something that where I need to change that interaction or end a certain relationship or reframe it, whatever it might be, so that you can get back in alignment with your emotions.
Savannah Rose (25:14.308)
Wow
So well said. I'm just like mesmerized right now. I'm like just soaking it up. I love it. No, it's just it's so refreshing to hear again just your point of view and your deep understanding of this and I just I just know my listeners are gonna be really jazzed to hear about it as well. I'm curious like you had mentioned in your email with me and and I know your team mentioned this a little bit as well like when it comes down to
Leila Jones (25:17.91)
Yeah.
I don't
Leila Jones (25:34.655)
Okay.
Savannah Rose (25:46.235)
specifically like life and work transitions. I'm curious like and this can be in relation to human design or just your unique perspective as well like when it's time for a change or when it's time to like choose the next thing or I'm just curious like what your thoughts are on like just life transitions as a whole whether it's with career or otherwise like how you approach those.
Leila Jones (25:50.573)
and
Leila Jones (26:12.279)
Hmm. Yeah, that's kind of going back to what I was saying with with looking at trends and patterns. What what I've seen in my life is, especially I'll just take career just to make it easier to focus on one thing that when I've been going along and doing something the same way, and it's worked really well, and you know, making money getting clients, all of that. And then all of a sudden, something switches where it's like,
all the things that I was traditionally doing is suddenly not working or I'm running into friction with it. I'm maybe attracting the wrong people into my space or you know, I lose a client, I suddenly am not making as much money with something. And those things start to show up over and over and over where it's like you just feel like you're hitting a wall with all the different things that you're doing.
And so those are the times when I've had to take a step back. And so a really specific example that I talk about in my book, the work that I've been doing for 11 years now is with a government contract where I'm a project manager. And several years ago, it was one of those things where, you know, I have a really good rapport with the team and I've been doing different things, playing different roles. And all of a sudden I was trying to
do what I had normally been doing. And, you know, they're used to me being outspoken and giving my opinion and all of that. And so I was doing that. And then suddenly no one was listening to me or I was getting pushed back or other people's ideas were being listened to, even if they were similar to mine. And those sorts of things started coming up. And I was like, what is going on? Like, why is this changing all of a sudden? And I couldn't figure it out. So I ended up
taking time off from that. And I started what has now become this journey that I'm on now. But I tried to start it then it wasn't quite the right time. But I did at least do some research and take that step back and start to look at, you know, is this still the work that I want to do? Am I trying to do something else? And in that time, just
Leila Jones (28:27.081)
meant the world to me because I did eventually come back to doing the work, but I had a different perspective on myself and a different energy, a different approach to it. So I think that that sometimes in, you know, thinking about your audience, if they're trying to figure it out, you know, it kind of ties into some of the things with human design to with your, your decision making, which is
focused on your authority, it's called within your human design type. So mine is emotional authority. And so that's why, you know, first thing in morning, like, I'm checking in my, my emotions and figuring out those bigger decisions. And with other folks, it can be different things, they can just get that gut reaction, like the splenic authority where they, they just know in their gut, if something feels right, or it doesn't, they can
just tap into maybe some of the the timing and different things that are going on in their life and figure out what to do there. There's other folks that have to talk to talk it out kind of talk out their decisions with other people and and see how others are reacting to that in order to figure out what next steps to take. So you know, I think to sum it up, it is
starting out looking at those trends and what's happening in your life or work to see if something might be telling you it's time for a change. And then looking at your human design authority to see what is specific to you on how you make decisions and make those changes.
Savannah Rose (30:09.787)
Thank you so much for explaining the authority piece and you said it so beautifully and how it can be this kind of lantern to guide your steps and something that you can incorporate into your daily routine as well, it sounds like.
Leila Jones (30:20.116)
Hmm, that's a good word.
Leila Jones (30:27.297)
Right, right. Yes. Yeah. And, and sometimes, you know, I make the joke too, with the authority that sometimes people will take it to the extreme and, you know, be like, well, you know, should I eat ice cream today or something? like, let me go to my authority. You can do that. But I think it works best for kind of those bigger decisions, where where you're not sure where to go or what to do.
Savannah Rose (30:43.301)
Always, everyday.
Leila Jones (30:55.341)
So you can start to listen to that. if it's something that's brand new to you, you can try it out on the smaller decisions and see how that works and then work your way up to the larger ones too.
Savannah Rose (31:08.447)
For sure. Yeah, and I think you said something that was really interesting. I read it down. It was like how this knowledge can help you change your perception of yourself or like how you perceive... perspective on self. can't even read my own handwriting. Or perspective on yourself.
Leila Jones (31:25.334)
Yes.
Leila Jones (31:29.313)
Right.
Savannah Rose (31:30.393)
I think that is so unique because I think that it, because for me, like, I've struggled a lot with, codependency in the past. so like advocating for my needs was something that I had did not have a clue how to do. and so I know like with human design, it was such a gift having that knowledge because with me being an emotional authority center as well, and also just someone who needs a lot of rest and alone time learning that about myself.
was kind of a, again, like that lantern on guiding myself on setting boundaries where it was like if a decision or something was coming to me and like a relationship or something, I was able to understand myself and like, hey, I can't talk about this right now or I need some time to forgive you or whatever it is and I need to actually sleep on this. And instead of having that previous compulsion to just like,
Leila Jones (32:23.617)
Right.
Savannah Rose (32:29.521)
things to be better and like that would make me override my needs understanding that like I am kind of like the turtle where like I need that time and I need to go on my shelf for a bit like it was such a way to move forward in a more empowered way and like you said more authentic way but especially for someone who like maybe didn't really know how to do that or know why I was feeling a certain kind of way like I think this can be such a vast knowledge that you can
Leila Jones (32:39.469)
All right.
Savannah Rose (32:59.421)
apply to, like you said, your career, to relationships, to just relationship itself. I think that's really important.
Leila Jones (33:06.541)
Right, right. Yeah, no, you really hit on that, Savannah, because it's like, when you have that awareness of yourself, then you start to notice how you're appearing to other people. And, and then you can make that decision, like, you know, am I okay with how I was showing up? Or is that is the way I was showing up trying to tell me something trying to teach me something because in that situation that I just mentioned with
leaving the contract work for a while, you I was very bitter with everyone. you know, that that was my my not self theme showing up. And so I had to sit with that and figure it out. You know, was it ego coming up that, know, I want to be listened to and no one's listening to me. Or was it something really valuable that I was bringing forward and and I wasn't being listened to? And so, you know, when you look at those things and like you said, you can start to
advocate for yourself if you're feeling like, this is really who I am, how I want to show up, I'm good with it. And maybe I need to communicate that with other people. And so that's really great that you notice that because the other piece with your human design chart, your strategy for manifestors, it's to inform. And so that's taking that step and saying,
You know what? Yeah, there's there's something out of alignment here and I need to let the people around me know so that I can inform them and they understand what's happening. And sometimes that can be hard, you know, just standing up for yourself, even if you feel pretty comfortable and and, really self assured, it can still be hard when you're having to express that to people that might not.
understand they don't know human design, might not be interested in that at all. But it's a way of explaining it and getting to know yourself better. You know, yes, I need to rest. Yes, I need this. And and then if you're, you know, with the right person in the right group, you can explain to them and have a discussion on how to better navigate a situation or you know, when something like this shows up in the future.
Leila Jones (35:23.671)
here's something that would help me. So it really opens up that dialogue once people start to understand themselves better.
Savannah Rose (35:32.25)
Mm-hmm.
Absolutely, and I think with like that understanding yourself better there does come I think a not a I mean learning curve yes, but almost like a I know for me It's been like a way to practice a lot of radical acceptance because I know like for me as a Manifester one of the things I know when I found this out it was like okay that explains a lot But I still have moments where I don't really like it and it's it's my repelling aura
and how I can be very, even without even realizing it, I can repel people or people are very intimidated by me and that's something that has always been hurtful because, I mean, hopefully you can sense my energy. I like to just golden retriever around the world and just, I don't know, I'm also a Pisces man so I'm just like, I just wanna love everything. So that's pretty much where I am on my core. Yeah, but then I also have this
Leila Jones (36:27.117)
Yeah.
Savannah Rose (36:33.516)
I'm repeling manifest aura and I'm a Scorpio rising. I present as this big energy and I know that who I'm meant to be around will be attracted to me but there are times when I want this friend or opportunity or I'm just living my life and receiving backlash or something and I'm like my feelings are hurt. I don't feel like I have control over this.
So that's something that I know like I'm still learning to accept and embrace But I'm really glad that I was able to learn about that cuz I'm like, okay that makes a lot of sense
Leila Jones (37:04.566)
Right.
Leila Jones (37:09.367)
Sure.
Leila Jones (37:15.531)
Right. Yeah, no, I think that's really cool. I like that terms and the radical self acceptance because that's really what it's about. because as you go through your chart and learn more about yourself, you are going to see those things and it might remind you of situations in the past like, yeah, that energy came up at that point. That's what that was about. And it starts to tap into like the shadow side or the shadow work.
which sometimes people don't like to address that, you know, and I often tell people, you know, I'm, know I'm a walking paradox, like I just, I know that and I think all of us are in different ways that we can have two different sides that show up, you know, like you said, you're, doing this podcast, you're really friendly and open, but then there's times where you're like,
Savannah Rose (37:45.52)
Yeah.
Leila Jones (38:08.117)
maybe my energy is going to repel people and I'm okay with that. You know, maybe there's certain times I don't want to be in that space or do that and that's okay. So, you know, it's really learning to integrate those two sides and be okay with it and not feel like you're stuck into one personality type or one way of being.
or trying to fit in and change who you are to try to fit in within a certain community or family, workplace, whatever it is. So I've learned that a lot, especially as I reflected on moving and all of that in so many different places that I started to, in looking back as I was writing the memoir, just reflecting on where did I really feel like I fit in and was I showing up as my authentic self there?
whether it was a relationship, romantic relationship or friendship, whatever it was, that it made me look at that and say, okay, you know, was that person friends with me, were they really connecting with me, the authentic me or was I showing up a different way just to try to get more friends? So, you know, those kinds of questions will keep coming up in life, you know, in adult years and
going on and on and trying to figure that out to see are you accepting all of you so it's not just the positive pieces but are you accepting everything that shows up to.
Savannah Rose (39:44.944)
Mm-hmm.
Yes, oh my gosh. When you said you're a walking paradox, gosh, I've never related to something more. I feel you, my friend. Oh my gosh. And that's really like, I feel like one of my missions right now is to, I think especially as women, I feel like maybe you can relate to this. It's like, I feel like as women, we historically haven't been given as much permission to show up as our full paradoxical, complicated, seasonal selves.
Leila Jones (39:54.455)
Yeah.
Leila Jones (40:15.423)
Yes.
Savannah Rose (40:15.645)
Depending on where I'm at in my cycle, I'm a different person. Like when I'm like, like, I'm I'm I'm I'm like, I'm I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,
Leila Jones (40:18.731)
Bye!
Leila Jones (40:29.235)
Yes, right. That is so true. Yeah, yeah. And I'm Perry Menopausal now. So it's it's it's a roller coaster. So I never know I'm gonna show up.
Savannah Rose (40:41.111)
I know, I so much to look forward to.
Yeah, absolutely.
Leila Jones (40:46.155)
But yeah, no, it's it's very true. And, you know, I think for me growing up, you know, I had a mom who's an extrovert, and she didn't understand how she could have produced a child that was an introvert and, you know, felt I was so different from her. And so, you know, right from the beginning, it was okay, you need to be different, you need to be more like this. And so that was super challenging. And, you know, thinking about that and trying to figure out
who I was, how I wanted to show up. And, you know, it was something that I carried with me into adulthood, unfortunately. And so it really wasn't until my early 40s that I started looking at things and saying, you know, something's really wrong here. Like, you know, I need to stop trying to fit into everybody else's world and figure out what kind of world I want to live in. And then
you can start attracting the people into it that are a good fit and a good energetic match for you.
Savannah Rose (41:46.063)
Mm-hmm. for sure absolutely. It's like because I mean I've been in the know about human design for a few years But I kind of had this like similar to you like this radical moment of like okay I'm actually gonna apply this knowledge. I'm gonna start doing the things that it's it's Suggesting for me, and I started doing that heavily Gosh what years it okay like early
Leila Jones (42:10.605)
good, I'm not the only one that does it.
Savannah Rose (42:14.369)
you would not believe how many times I also write like, yeah, the wrong year, wrong day. Yeah, it's too frequent. yeah, so I would say maybe a year, no, maybe two years now, I started to like actually take the...
Leila Jones (42:16.365)
do that all the time.
Leila Jones (42:21.293)
Alright.
Savannah Rose (42:29.241)
the formula for manifestors, if you want to call it that, and make my life fit that more, rather than what I was conditioned to do, that generator conditioning. And it's just crazy how I was able to not just feel more in tune with myself, but just to attract, like you said, the right people, the people who truly love me and truly see me and support me and embrace me. It's just such a beautiful experience.
Leila Jones (42:35.277)
Mmm.
Leila Jones (42:39.5)
Yeah.
Leila Jones (42:56.333)
Right, right. Now that's wonderful. yeah, I think that that's, that's the most important thing with all of this that like sometimes because there's all different kinds of tests or assessments or things that you can take out there, you know, to like the Enneagram and those sorts of things to help you figure out who you are and how you show up. And those are all great because they all give you information from a slightly different perspective, which is really cool.
But I think with any of those that you're doing in human design included, it's important not to just say, well, you know, for me as a projector, like, well, I can't do anything, I have to wait for everybody to invite me to do stuff. Because then you won't ever do anything. And so
Savannah Rose (43:37.979)
I'm like, get on my show, girl. Yes.
Leila Jones (43:42.318)
Yes, yeah, exactly. So, you know, it's those kinds of things where you have to kind of play with your your energies. And for me, I found that my invitations as a projector don't always come from people. They can come from dreams or just other signs and different things that show up in my life. And I'm like, OK.
there's something let me write that down and see if it comes up again. And again, I start seeing those trends and I say, okay, you know, maybe I need to move in that direction or, you know, contact that person or something. And I think that I see everything that we do in our lives is some sort of journey and and, you know, some sort of adventure, I use that term a lot. And so it doesn't always mean that that
that blessing, that adventure, whatever it is, is a part of your life for a lifetime, a relationship to, it might be something where you're both entering into it and you're learning something, you're teaching each other something, and this gets into kind of a bigger picture of like, karmic relationships and those kinds of things that I've explored a lot. So two people get together and...
way back when their souls were connecting, they decided that they were going to get together in this lifetime. And then you learn something from that. And maybe you stay together, maybe you move on. But, you know, I think that that is really challenging at times. And I know it was for me personally, where, you know, you go into something. And, you know, when I think about my marriage, I was a very different person than I got married in my early 20s. And
Savannah Rose (45:04.378)
Yeah.
Leila Jones (45:29.727)
I'm a very different person now. And over that time, I started growing and changing and learning about different things. But my ex husband wanted me to stay the same because, that was what we had committed to. We had a certain, certain agreement, know, unwritten agreement on how we were going to interact with each other, what our roles were going to be. So when that kind of thing happens and then one person starts changing, it's like, what do we do now? And those things can be
really difficult for both people, as you start to think about how you're going to make that that transition, and then what's next after you do that. So taking all of that together and and looking at your human design type, and you know, we don't have enough time, but there's so many things you can look at in your chart to help you figure out, you know, where am I in my
astrological developmental cycle, you know, am I heading into my 30s or 40s or 50s? Because there's certain lessons that come up at those times too, that can help you figure out, okay, this is the lesson that I'm going to have to go through. And then here's what it might look like on the other side. So yeah, so it's very exciting. There's so many pieces to it. And you know, I'm still learning things every day, which is really cool.
Savannah Rose (46:52.187)
For sure. Oh yes, well, send me some good vibes, because I just started my Saturn return. But... Yes. No, I know it's like a cosmic glow up, it's for my greater good, but I definitely have been, I would say like squaring up with certain things that just weren't working anymore. But I'm grateful for it though, I really am.
Leila Jones (46:59.23)
wow, that's exciting! yeah! I love that, I love that.
Leila Jones (47:10.145)
Yeah
Leila Jones (47:17.313)
Right? Yeah, yeah. So yeah, you really start to define yourself as who you are, and kind of that, you know, older adult, and you know, you have those years of separation from the family life, you know, the childhood kind of family life, and you start to shed some of those things that maybe don't work for you anymore, and really strike out into who Savannah wants to be going forward. So that's pretty cool.
Savannah Rose (47:45.487)
Here we go, the world better get ready. I'm coming in with my manifestor energy.
Leila Jones (47:46.893)
That's exciting, yeah. I know, right, right. You're really gonna be putting in the gas, that's good.
Savannah Rose (47:56.831)
Oh, yes. Well, you've mentioned it a few times. I wanted to touch upon with our few minutes left, your book that's coming out September 24th, right? 25th, okay, got it, got it. I knew it was right around there. Okay, okay, I'm gonna sing it all.
Leila Jones (48:07.469)
25th, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Savannah Rose (48:13.125)
Preemptive congratulations, but I know it's gonna be magical. I can't wait to get my hands on a copy. I'm curious like how you're feeling about it coming out pretty soon. And if you would like to share a little bit more, and I know you shared some, but share a little bit more about like how you started writing it and like what's within and just your journey becoming a self-published author and that's so exciting.
Leila Jones (48:16.299)
Thank you.
Yeah.
Leila Jones (48:24.78)
Yeah.
Leila Jones (48:38.477)
Yeah, thank you. Yeah. So so yeah, my book is unpacking my boxes of projectors journey home and I started writing it in 2020. And I got the idea because that was the year that my divorce was final and I was reflecting back on the the day that or the day before I was actually going to move and I had
all my boxes packed up and was in our primary bedroom and talking to soon be my ex husband and I was talking to him about lots of logistical things and then he was looking around and he made this comment that he said he felt like I never really unpacked myself there. And I was like, Whoa, like that just really stood out to me. And he was talking about these
boxes. have these five boxes that I've been lugging around with me and would never unpack. And it started when I was 17 and moved from Southern California right before my senior year of high school, because my mom was downsized. And so we ended up having to move to Colorado. And I was not expecting that. And it was just devastating. I had my first boyfriend. I had all these friends and you know, everything was wonderful. I loved that.
of the country. So I just kept those boxes packed up like literally and and figuratively and just really would not let myself fully out anymore because I felt like what's the point? You know, I, I left behind this wonderful life and you know, I don't know how to get that back. So it started out with me writing the book just about like getting to the point of unpacking the physical boxes. And then I won't
totally spoil it, but something happened where I talk about it in the book, something happened where I thought that was going to be like my happily ever after. And then I got writer's block for four years. And so I put the book aside and then picked it up again. Around the same time I was doing the human design certification classes. And that's when I realized that not only had I packed up all that physical stuff, but there was emotional baggage there too.
Leila Jones (50:57.345)
that I hadn't addressed. you know, I've had deaths in the family, I hadn't processed those, just all kinds of things that were going on. And so then that's the second and third parts of the book where I really point that out and talk about how I started figuring out who I was. And like you said, the radical self acceptance, that's what that was all about, you know, seeing.
Okay, yeah, I have these challenges, have these issues. Yes, I went through divorce. Yes, I had a challenging time being a mom. I have two girls now that are 16 and 10 and we co-parent them. so, you know, there was just all this stuff mixed up in there that I had to really figure out so that I could show up the way that I wanted to at home and at work. So yeah, so it's really...
exciting and I started down one path with the publisher and just didn't feel like I was getting the story out the way that I wanted. And there were some challenges there. So depending on when you're watching this, it might still look like you can get it online at Amazon, but definitely come to my website at alimera.com where you can sign up for the book launch list and then I'll be announcing how you can purchase it and preorder it soon.
Savannah Rose (52:17.093)
Beautiful, perfect. Well, you read my mind yet again. I was gonna ask how people can get in touch with you. And so can you say your website one more time? And I'll also include the links to everything. And then when your book link is live, you can send it to me and I'll update everything. So it'll be right there for folks. Yeah. But yes, share your website again and then your social media as well if you'd like to tag us on that.
Leila Jones (52:19.042)
Yeah.
You
Yeah.
Sure.
Leila Jones (52:32.757)
Yeah, great. Okay. Okay, perfect.
Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. So it's velaamira.com. So V-E-L-A-M-I-R-A.com. And I'm also on LinkedIn and I think it's Layla Jones, Velaamira, if I remember correctly. And I'm also on Blue Sky under TheLaylaJones.
Savannah Rose (53:01.605)
Nice, perfect, amazing. Well, Layla, this has been such a fun conversation. I've loved it. You have such amazing insights. I knew it was gonna be a good one, but this was super juicy. loved it. Yes, of course.
Leila Jones (53:03.425)
Yeah.
Leila Jones (53:08.801)
Thank you.
Leila Jones (53:14.285)
Oh, great. Well, thank you. It was great talking to you. It's always nice to talk to someone that knows about some of the human design stuff and using it in their life. So that's pretty cool. Yeah.
Savannah Rose (53:27.579)
Oh yes, I loved it and thank you again and thank you to everyone who tuned in today. I truly appreciate it and please check out Layla's book when it is out coming out this September. So exciting and thank you again everybody. Thank you Layla and I will chat with you all later. Bye for now.
Leila Jones (53:44.046)
Thank you. Bye. Thanks.
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